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	<title>Comments on: Clip Art For Logos: Is It an Even Trade?</title>
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		<title>By: Scott DesLauriers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott DesLauriers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello! Our Sports mascot is a pheasant. Weird mascot, eh? We&#039;re not too fond of it either. Unfortunately, all the clipart we can find is (stupid). We were wondering if there was any place where we could have a &quot;mean&quot; pheasant made - specifically for us??? If you have any place where I could find some??? That&#039;d be great!

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello! Our Sports mascot is a pheasant. Weird mascot, eh? We&#8217;re not too fond of it either. Unfortunately, all the clipart we can find is (stupid). We were wondering if there was any place where we could have a &#8220;mean&#8221; pheasant made &#8211; specifically for us??? If you have any place where I could find some??? That&#8217;d be great!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Like</title>
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		<dc:creator>Like</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Samuel John Klein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel John Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as set as I am against using clipart for logos I can see the logic of your situation. As a self-described &quot;amateur&quot; you seem to have handled it fairly well.

Your final solutionâ€“a typographic based oneâ€“is telling to me in as much as you did try a solution based on &quot;clipart&quot; (technically I see a webding as not quite clipart but it&#039;s typically used as such, true observation). Your actual final product, however, did not use it, the typographic solution was, as you put it, &quot;completely and totally original&quot;...which is, I think, the way it ought to have been.

The webding probably did inform the final design, which I think reinforces one of the overall points indeed.

Thanks for the feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as set as I am against using clipart for logos I can see the logic of your situation. As a self-described &#8220;amateur&#8221; you seem to have handled it fairly well.</p>
<p>Your final solutionâ€“a typographic based oneâ€“is telling to me in as much as you did try a solution based on &#8220;clipart&#8221; (technically I see a webding as not quite clipart but it&#8217;s typically used as such, true observation). Your actual final product, however, did not use it, the typographic solution was, as you put it, &#8220;completely and totally original&#8221;&#8230;which is, I think, the way it ought to have been.</p>
<p>The webding probably did inform the final design, which I think reinforces one of the overall points indeed.</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ran directly into this issue just two nights ago.  I&#039;m an amature designer (IT by trade) but have done quite a bit of design on the side.  A client needs a logo and her budget is small being a start-up with small private backing.  I spent no more than 2-3 hours coming up with six different logos and only one used any &#039;clip-art&#039;.  It was actually part of the Webdings font group and I modified it greatly.  The best logo of the bunch, in my opinion is one that I stumbled across experimenting with the companies name, completely and totally original.  

Since I don&#039;t do this professionally I&#039;m not sure how much time other would want to spend on a job like this but 2-3 hours seems pretty reasonable even for the most budget squeezed customer.  

I have to agree with this article.  Clip-art may be good for inspiration but shouldn&#039;t be used as a subsitute for custom design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ran directly into this issue just two nights ago.  I&#8217;m an amature designer (IT by trade) but have done quite a bit of design on the side.  A client needs a logo and her budget is small being a start-up with small private backing.  I spent no more than 2-3 hours coming up with six different logos and only one used any &#8216;clip-art&#8217;.  It was actually part of the Webdings font group and I modified it greatly.  The best logo of the bunch, in my opinion is one that I stumbled across experimenting with the companies name, completely and totally original.  </p>
<p>Since I don&#8217;t do this professionally I&#8217;m not sure how much time other would want to spend on a job like this but 2-3 hours seems pretty reasonable even for the most budget squeezed customer.  </p>
<p>I have to agree with this article.  Clip-art may be good for inspiration but shouldn&#8217;t be used as a subsitute for custom design.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel John Klein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel John Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are a graphic designer when you are solving a problem for a client.

Not every designer can solve every problem for all clients. We can&#039;t be all things to all people, no matter how much we want to.

It certainly does take generosity and a spirit of helping the little guy (which I endorse, being one of the &quot;little guys&quot;) of which I approve. But giving someone professional services at whilst cutting corners to do so might seem like a favor but in the end you&#039;ve given a low-quality solution to someone who deserves better and you&#039;re selling your services cheaply which does nobody any favors.

I have a car which may or may not develop problems. I don&#039;t always have the money to spend to get those problems solved, because I can&#039;t afford the top of the line mechanical service. That doesn&#039;t oblige the mechanics to cut thier rates or cut corners so that I can afford them.

Given the notional client with a tiny budget I have the choice; consent to help them for the price they can afford or not. If I sincerely feel that I can&#039;t help them, then I would pass on that client. If I did  take the job, I suppose I&#039;d do something simple and direct, maybe typographic or the simplest of sketches.

Nobody expects professionals like lawyers, doctors, or auto mechanics to cut thier prices and service quality to make them accesable to people with small budgets. Why are designers expected to  give it away?

Moreover, if you adapt clip-art to create a solution for someone with a microscopic budget, you aren&#039;t any more or less a designer &lt;i&gt;necessarily&lt;/i&gt;. Being a designer requires a certain point of view and awareness of things. What you are, and sorry for the bluntness, is a &lt;i&gt;not very good&lt;/i&gt; designer.

But the point is, never never use clipart. No matter how much they pay, they&#039;re paying for our original thought, whether they know it or not. If we don&#039;t give it to them, I think we&#039;re not giving them a sweet deal, I think we&#039;re stealing from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are a graphic designer when you are solving a problem for a client.</p>
<p>Not every designer can solve every problem for all clients. We can&#8217;t be all things to all people, no matter how much we want to.</p>
<p>It certainly does take generosity and a spirit of helping the little guy (which I endorse, being one of the &#8220;little guys&#8221;) of which I approve. But giving someone professional services at whilst cutting corners to do so might seem like a favor but in the end you&#8217;ve given a low-quality solution to someone who deserves better and you&#8217;re selling your services cheaply which does nobody any favors.</p>
<p>I have a car which may or may not develop problems. I don&#8217;t always have the money to spend to get those problems solved, because I can&#8217;t afford the top of the line mechanical service. That doesn&#8217;t oblige the mechanics to cut thier rates or cut corners so that I can afford them.</p>
<p>Given the notional client with a tiny budget I have the choice; consent to help them for the price they can afford or not. If I sincerely feel that I can&#8217;t help them, then I would pass on that client. If I did  take the job, I suppose I&#8217;d do something simple and direct, maybe typographic or the simplest of sketches.</p>
<p>Nobody expects professionals like lawyers, doctors, or auto mechanics to cut thier prices and service quality to make them accesable to people with small budgets. Why are designers expected to  give it away?</p>
<p>Moreover, if you adapt clip-art to create a solution for someone with a microscopic budget, you aren&#8217;t any more or less a designer <i>necessarily</i>. Being a designer requires a certain point of view and awareness of things. What you are, and sorry for the bluntness, is a <i>not very good</i> designer.</p>
<p>But the point is, never never use clipart. No matter how much they pay, they&#8217;re paying for our original thought, whether they know it or not. If we don&#8217;t give it to them, I think we&#8217;re not giving them a sweet deal, I think we&#8217;re stealing from them.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Mahan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wesley Mahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you a graphic designer only when designing for corporations who can afford to pay for a design that is &quot;pure&quot; and completely original (and is there ANY design that isn&#039;t even slightly derivative of something else)? If you use or adapt a piece of clipart for a business card for a self-employed guy who can only afford to pay $50 for the layout, do you cease to be a designer? Michael Holdren doesn&#039;t seem to appreciate a real world that includes people with miniscule budgets and big-hearted designers who like to help them out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you a graphic designer only when designing for corporations who can afford to pay for a design that is &#8220;pure&#8221; and completely original (and is there ANY design that isn&#8217;t even slightly derivative of something else)? If you use or adapt a piece of clipart for a business card for a self-employed guy who can only afford to pay $50 for the layout, do you cease to be a designer? Michael Holdren doesn&#8217;t seem to appreciate a real world that includes people with miniscule budgets and big-hearted designers who like to help them out.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel John Klein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel John Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!

I was surprised at my own thoughts on the subject; after looking through what I looked through I was surprised to find some of my own attitudes about stock changing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you!</p>
<p>I was surprised at my own thoughts on the subject; after looking through what I looked through I was surprised to find some of my own attitudes about stock changing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mirielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mirielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PErfect text about the use of clipart as logo...I love it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PErfect text about the use of clipart as logo&#8230;I love it&#8230;</p>
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